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Why the British Style of Punctuation around Quotation Marks Beats the American Style

Many times have I wondered why American punctuation has to be so illogical compared to our way to punctuate here in Finland, more accurately around quotations. Other differences in punctuation are just differences in grammatical punctuation rules, although English punctuation is much more intuitive that Finnish punctuation. I did some research and found out our Finnish way is pretty much the same as the British way to punctuate around quotes, also called the logical quotation, while the other one was indeed the “American style”. In that previous sentence I used the British style while an American would probably have written it like this:

The other one was indeed the “American style.”

Now you might ask why it is more logical that the period or full stop comes after the quotation mark. I tell you why. It is more logical to put the period outside the quote because it is not part of the quotation! Do you see, people? You should put stuff belonging in there only in the quotation. Most often in the American style, they don’t put only the quoted punctuation marks in the quote but also the marks separating the quote from the text around it. I’ll provide you with some example sentences.

I told him, “Man, the riff is a killer but the rest is a throwaway.” (Lordi – The Riff)

In both styles of punctuation, the period will be in the quote since it is part of the quotation! If the main clause is after the quotation, the punctuation differs between styles:

“Man, the riff is a killer but the rest is a throwaway”, I told him. (British)
“Man, the riff is a killer but the rest is a throwaway,” I told him. (American)

You see how the Americans put the comma that separates the quotation from the main clause. What I think is that it’s illogical to put it in the quote as it is not part of the quote but separates the quote from the main clause and therefore should not be in the quote.

Sorry to explain it in words of one syllable but I want to make sure everyone gets my point. In my opinion, you should only include the original quotation in the quote and leave other stuff out. Of course, if you have the main clause after the quotation, you’ll have to omit the period if it was there but that’s not a valid reason to replace it with a comma, is it?

Again, there is no real problem if the quote includes an exclamation mark (!) or a question mark (?) since they always belong in the quote and therefore are put inside. Even in the American style, you should always exclude a semicolon (;), gods only know why.

The American way is in a way simpler, as you don’t have to use your brain. The only thing you are required to do is to put everything inside the quotation. That’s it. All the punctuation marks just go inside. This is not the more logical way but the easier-to-remember way. I have never actually liked this kind of stuff that Americans do to English, make it simpler and at the same time more illogical because they can. No offence, Americans! It’s just natural that languages change when spoken. Personally I just think I’d like to be rational rather than make things “easier”. In my case, it’s not actually easier to put the fucking comma inside the quotation as it makes my head hurt.

Conclusion: it’s all about logic. I’m very much into logic so… it’s nice to be, say, logical. Of course, this is just my opinion. You can still punctuate however you like. Logically or illogically. :3

PS. In Finnish, we separate the main clause with a colon (:) if the quotation comes afterwards.

I told him: “Man, the riff is a killer but the rest is a throwaway.”

I understand the logic of using comma there, as it is more symmetrical to the case where the main clause comes after the quotation, but still, I think it’s reasonable to use colon too since that’s what colons are for: they are for this sort of use. In a way, quotes are the same. If you know what I mean. If you don’t, then whatsoever. There is no counterpart for colon to be used when the main clause comes after the quotation so that’s one reason to use comma.

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Fragments of Space-Time Released

Hello creeps and happy end of the world, the end that didn't come. To honour the doomsday that is yet to come I finally released my long-late extended play, Fragments of Space-Time. It can be downloaded for free at my Bandcamp.

In other news, Gangnam Style has reached 109 views, which is cool. It's actually a good song althought I'm not very much into that kind of music. What I am into (a few bands for ya):

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This Blog No Longer Looks Like a Piece of Paper

Look, it seems much happier now that I repaired it! Let us all be happy! <3 <3 <3 :3 :3 :3

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This blog looks like a piece of sheeeeet

Web design. The easiest and the hardest thing in existence. Sometimes it feels it is so unbelievably easy that you could offer your skills to whole world. Though sometimes it feels desperately annoying. This blog, for instance, looks like a piece of sssshhhheeeet when you think about it. Not very well positioned graphics. I was trying to make it look compatible with my now-at-last-finished-and-soon-to-be-released hub website but I failed, I think. It is not as good as it should. Also, the theme is not as good as it looked like when I found it.

Well, that’s about self-criticism. Later today I should receive the Scarchives vol. 1. Lordi’s first performance ever in DVD and first album (which was never released, though, until now). Some new music to listen to, and supposedly good music. I can’t wait until… today. Okay, I should sleep now. I’m not thinking clearly.

School. The ylioppilaskirjoitukset, the greatest exams I will ever have in my life, probably. Not even a month till the first exam, biology. I should start reading – I should have started a month ago but did I? Why didn’t I? Am I lazy? Oh yes.

There was a little incident that tried to depress me but I’m not going to let it beat my semi-optimistic realism. And that’s enough about depression, let’s talk about something more delightful. Oh wait, this is a monologue. A monologue, this is a blog post. What did I expect?
I’m talking to my own head. This can’t be good.

Also, the EP I’ve been preparing to release for a couple months now is been ready that long, and I should finally spit it out on my Bandcamp. But I feel like something is missing from it. I have the digital booklet, I have the cover art, everything, the songs, a bonus song, even a Flash version of the digital booklet (thanks to Killjoy). What am I waiting for? A good question it is, indeed.

Okay, now I should sleep.
Wait, maybe finish my homework for mathematics. And chemistry.
Goddammit.

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Expensive Awesomeness

Finland. Rovaniemi. Ounaspaviljonki. Simerock. Lordi.

Yes. This was the 10th year anniversary gig of Lordi. When the other performers had shows of 45 min or an hour, Lordi had 90 minutes. An hour and a half. They had promised we can see some pyros and Rock ’n’ Rollo choir. This would also be the last gig of our dear Lady Awa, they keyboardist of Lordi.

My day started with a car-drive to Rovaniemi. I’m living somewhere in the middle of nowhere so Rovaniemi wasn’t very far, actually. I visited a photography shop to take some passport phography for my driving license and then bought eight packs of coffee (I don’t drink coffee, by the way). Then, suddenly, salmon.

I and my friend arrived at half past seven post meridiem, just to die of heart attack: when we gave the tickets to the dude (yeah, let’s call him the Dude), who was there accepting the tickets and giving wristbands in exchange for them, he had some problems with recognizing OUR tickets.
“Uhm… sorry, but these don’t qualify”, he claimed (in Finnish, of course, my translation). I was sure this was some kind of misunderstanding or, at least, some kind of a bad dream.
Well, then I said, “’Scuse me?” and he replied, “Yup, these tickets ain’t no good.”
“What are you saying?”
“These tickets don’t qualify. They don’t exist in our database.”
“BETTER QUALIFY. THEY WERE FUCKIN’ EXPENSIVE.”
“… yeah, well, maybe I don’t know how to use this reader thingy… I go and ask some of my colleagues…”
“Do that”, I grunted. I was totally upset. Who the hell did he think he was? I had bought the tickets and they cost me 70 euros. Well, 35, because half of the money was for the tickets of my friend.

When the Dude walked out of his booth, some other staff member suddenly came and asked what was wrong. The Dude told him that the machine didn’t qualify our fucking tickets. “You are doing it wrong”, the other guy grinned and took the reader. He checked our tickets and said that both of them were OK, and then the Dude gave us the wristbands. I guess my facial expression was terrifying since the Dude muttered something about how he hadn’t worked in that booth before and how this was his first time. I barely listened, I almost had got angry. I should probably be more careful from now on. :3

Then the safeguards did some personal search (for prohibited stuff, I suppose) and we got in – just to notice that there were nothing but awful music to listen to. No, Lordi would perform at 11 o’clock. What should we have done? We walked around and saw some bungee jumps (yes, there was a place for bungee jumping). Another friend of mine appeared, and we went to eat something. Hesburger’s basic hamburgers are small and empty. I’d have preferred the Kerrosateria. I don’t eat SO much that any bigger would be needed, but the basic one was way too small.

That’s about food, back to Lordi. Half past ten we went to see how the props were placed. Quarter to eleven we went to get our places and waited until it was 11 o’clock. What then? They started the soundcheck. Soundcheck when the show should’ve started already! It was irritating but we waited. We waited half an hour. It wasn’t very much fun…

Quarter to midnight it started. Due to technical difficulties the show had delayed 45 minutes but now it was about to start: the Scarctic Circle Gathering opened the show (yes, the intro song of Get Heavy album). After that they played Bringing Back The Balls To Rock, which wasn’t a surprise since they had done so two previous times already. After that they played Get Heavy and then Mr. L apologized the delay. The next song was Dynamite Tonight, which was a surprise neither since they tested the backing vocals of that song during the soundcheck.

The gig was a memorial show of Otus, the drummer who died, and farewell show of Awa. They played They Only Come Out At Night in memory of Otus; the song had been his favorite one to play. There was also the last time Awa “chose” the next song to play (Who’s Your Daddy?) with a little help of Mr. Sime and the audience.

The show of course included traditional stuff like hitting the roadie with a bass, piercing the dancing couple with a spear after The Rebirth Of The Countess, etc. Techincal difficulties showed up again when the backing vocals of Rock Police were playing too early (chorus vocals during the pre-chorus), so they were taken out completely. The choruses sounded a bit lonely with only Mr. Lordi screaming “WE ARE THE ROCK POLICE” and between those shouts – nothing. Also, I’m pretty sure Amen had some problems with his guitars in some songs.

The first encore was something I guess nobody was waiting for as an encore: Biomechanic Man. Yet it was a great performance. The second encore was Would You Love A Monsterman with Rock ’n’ Rollo choir and the last song – of course – was Hard Rock Hallelujah. I loved the pyros.

Even though I can’t actually remember the complete order of them, I remember all the songs played that night. Here they are, sorted by album:

  • From Get Heavy:
    • Scarctic Circle Gathering
    • Get Heavy
    • Devil Is A Loser
    • Would You Love A Monsterman
    • Not The Nicest Guy
    • Biomechanic Man
    • Dynamite Tonight
  • From The Monsterican Dream:
    • Blood Red Sandman
  • From The Arockalypse:
    • Bringing Back The Balls To Rock
    • It Snows In Hell
    • Who’s Your Daddy?
    • Hard Rock Hallelujah
    • They Only Come Out At Night
  • From Deadache:
    • Bite It Like A Bulldog
    • The Rebirth Of The Countess
  • From Babez For Breakfast:
    • SCG5: It's A Boy
    • Babez For Breakfast
    • This Is Heavy Metal
    • Rock Police
    • Nonstop Nite
    • Amen's Lament To Ra
    • Granny's Gone Crazy

It’s a pity they played only one song from Deadache but the setlist was so awesome I shouldn’t ask for more. <3 Despite all the problems, this was a wonderful gig.

Also, earplugs are expensive.

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